Useful Idiots #5: Moral relativists


Listen to yourselves!

There are a huge number in this group, unfortunately, who believe that there is a moral equivalence between terrorists and democratic states: the majority of the mainstream media, the progressive Left (including, worryingly, Obama in the US), and some on the conservative side of politics – all helpful to the terrorist cause by legitimising their actions.

This post was prompted by a comment received earlier (not 100% sure it is genuine, but it serves the purpose of exposing the issues), which typifies this way of thinking:

The fearful responses in this blog are as scary as the Muslim extremists, and are extreme in their own way.

Really? Really? Expressing an opinion is somehow equivalent to beheadings and suicide bombings? I’m sure you are an intelligent person, but, seriously, WTF? And opposing extremism is itself extreme? Do you actually listen to yourself?

Firstly, in the eyes of God, or if you are an athiest, in your view, who would be more or less at fault – an fairly well-off Australian child who attended BETAR youth camp in Sydney and then as a young adult went to Israel and killed a child on the other side of the Wall with a sniper rifle, all under the legitimizing rubric of military service to one’s (other) country of citizenship, and then returned to Australia with no questions asked, or a young person who was brainwashed by a Salafist imam at an Islamic study group in Sydney and went to Syria and killed an innocent village child by slitting its throat? I say one is as good as the other. Yet our Australian government now proposes to continue to ignore the one as legitimate and criminalize the other. 

No doubt you yourself have been brainwashed by the Palestinian propaganda machine, aided and abetted by the mainstream media’s unwavering support for ‘Palestinians’ and the incessant demonisation of Israel as a terrorist state. This is obvious by (a) your suggestion that an Israeli soldier would just ‘kill a child’ for no reason and (b) your drawing an equivalence between lawful military service in a democratic state and the savage murder of a child by a terrorist organisation.

The Middle East crisis boils down to one simple issue: the rejection, by Hamas and all the other Islamic states and terrorist organisations, of the right of Israel to exist. Consider this for one minute – if Hamas, Iran and the other Islamic states disarmed and renounced violence against Israel, there would be peace. If Israel did the same, it would be annihilated. Yet you seem to be able to convince yourself that the situations are just the same.

Secondly, many people attracted to overseas conflicts, after they experience them first hand, become disillusioned with them – think Spanish Civil War, the Great War, Vietnam – and then they reflect, and decide (correctly) that violence and war are terrible. These young men returning from the Near East will include many in that frame of mind. The same frame of mind that our fathers and grandfathers adopted.

The first glaringly obvious difference is that soldiers who fought in previous wars were not ‘attracted to overseas conflicts’ as you misleadingly put it, they were carrying out their sworn duty to fight and if necessary sacrifice their lives for their country – yet those who join Islamic State do so with great willingness to be martyred for the cause of Allah.

Again your rose-tinted spectacles are obscuring the obvious difference between the present situation and those you cite above – that this is a conflict stoked by a highly dangerous religious dogma, with promises of 72 ‘dark eyed virgins’ in paradise to martyrs who die fighting for Allah.

As the terrorists flew the planes into the Twin Towers on 9/11, they were shouting ‘Allahu akbar’ – Allah is greater. They didn’t care that they were going to die, they genuinely believed that their actions were opening the door to paradise.

But yet again, you seem to be able to convince yourself that the two situations are comparable.

We – Australia – needs these young Muslim men. And we need to look after them and talk to them, and their voices need to be heard. So that the message that violence is wrong, can reach out to all Australians, and especially any Australians tempted to head off overseas to fight. But no, the plan our leaders and others propose is the fear plan – prosecute them, lock them out or lock them up. Bloody brilliant.

In other words, rather than showing strength in the face of an enemy that seeks to destroy us, we should ‘talk to them’, negotiate with them? How have previous examples of appeasement in recent history worked out? How do you negotiate with a religious and political ideology which hasn’t changed since the 7th century, and thinks that beheadings and suicide bombings are acceptable ways to spread that ideology? Please explain, as I’m sure Western politicians would love to know.

This particular commenter is as much part of the problem we face in the US, Europe and Australia as anyone, and is certainly not part of the solution. His/her comments legitimise the barbaric acts of Hamas and Islamic State as being no worse than the so-called ‘atrocities’ of the West.


  1. luisadownunder says:

    Editor, was this comment left on one of your posts?


  2. I’m sorry, but much as it pains me, I have to acknowledge that your commenter has a point. In the wars he mentioned there WERE young men from non belligerent countries fighting. There was the International Brigade in the Spanish civil war, Americans in the two world wars prior to 1917 and 1942 – especially in the British Air Services, and Irish Free State citizens who joined British forces in WWII.


  3. Well it goes way way back to the Old Testamant in the Bible.

    Abraham ( which muslims claim as a patrich as well ) had the land of Israel give to him, a Jew, for all eternitry by God.

    “The Lord appeared to Abram and said, ‘To your descendants I will give this land.'” ( Genesis 12:7a )

    In Genesis 13:15, Gods promise is repeated “for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever.”
    And again in Genesis 15:18, “To your descendants I have given this land.”

    Genesis 17:7-8 says: “And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

    Gen 35:12 the land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac, I will give it to Jacob
    Deut 30:5 God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it
    Gen 28:4 that you may possess the land of your sojournings, which God gave to Abraham.

    The “palestinians” are just the latest incarnation of the House of Esau fighing the House of Jacob.

    “And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.” ( Obadiah 1:18 )

    The muslims will never accept the Jewish ownership inperitude, of the land they claim.
    Talk about belting your head against a brick wall…..


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